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The discussion on weightlifting pulling styles that I have been enjoying with
Istvan Javorek on IWF list continues:
Istvan Javorek:
In addition, I would like to share some of my ideas from my upcoming book:
The Step-by-step phases of the classical Snatch and Clean &#38; Jerk exercise are:
- Start
- Pull to squat or split:
- First phase of pull with [...]]]></description>
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<p>The discussion on weightlifting pulling styles that I have been enjoying with<br />
Istvan Javorek on IWF list continues:</p>
<p>Istvan Javorek:</p>
<p>In addition, I would like to share some of my ideas from my upcoming book:</p>
<p>The Step-by-step phases of the classical Snatch and Clean &amp; Jerk exercise are:</p>
<p>- Start<br />
- Pull to squat or split:<br />
- First phase of pull with leg extension<br />
- First phase of pull with trunk extension<br />
- Second phase of pull: spontaneous knees bent<br />
- Second phase of pull: straight-arms, elbows turned out<br />
- Second phase of pull: final leg-trunk extension<br />
- Second phase of pull: central of gravity on straight vertical line, body<br />
weight between balls of the feet and heels, slightly more toward the heels</p>
<p>- Second phase of pull: hit the barbell on flat foot<span id="more-10340"></span></p>
<p>- Second phase of pull: due to the inertia the barbell and the athlete&#8217;s body<br />
is in weightless &#8221; in suspension&#8221; stage</p>
<p>- Second phase of pull: trapezius action<br />
- Second phase of pull: arms action (flexion- extension for snatch:<br />
flexion-elbows&#8217; rotation forward under the barbell) and preparation of<br />
pressing under the barbell</p>
<p>- Squat or Split:<br />
- Legs&#8217; displacement</p>
<p>- Legs&#8217; action (flexion or split) under the bar<br />
- Pressing the body under the barbell<br />
- Recovery:<br />
- Legs&#8217; extension<br />
- Legs&#8217; replacement: from split the front leg first; from squat one leg at a<br />
time</p>
<p>The first and very important thing to figure out for every individual athlete<br />
is the optimal grip as well as the body balance in the different phases of an<br />
exercise. It is easy to measure the athlete&#8217;s body segment and to find out<br />
the most efficient body alignment.</p>
<p>In the starting position the arm&#8217;s musculature should be relaxed, just holding<br />
the barbell with a firm hook grip. The elbow-shoulders-head position is the<br />
most favorable position to let the trapezius musculature act during the<br />
shrugging movement. Usually the big technical error is a chain reaction from<br />
this phase of the pull.</p>
<p>The common center of gravity in the start should be balanced in the mid<br />
section of the feet, between the balls of the feet and the heels. During the<br />
first phase of the pull the center of gravity should be shifted back more<br />
toward the heels, but the balls of the feet should never lose contact with<br />
the platform.</p>
<p>The first phase of the Pull: &#8211; The athlete contracts his/her extensor muscles<br />
and starts the first phase of the pull. The body weight has already been<br />
shifted toward the heels, and simultaneously is opening the ankles&#8217;, knees&#8217;,<br />
and hip&#8217;s (coxo-femoral) joints. In this way the hip and the shoulders are<br />
doing an upward and simultaneous movement, lifting the weight up from the<br />
platform and up to the knees&#8217; level. From this point the knees are extended<br />
slightly. (In weightlifting never extend the knees to a complete extension<br />
during a pull or a jerk. A little flexion must be in the knees&#8217; joint,<br />
permitting to the athlete to distribute the barbell&#8217;s weight equally on the<br />
whole osteo-muscular system, finding the perfect balance on the middle of the<br />
feet, holding the center of gravity between the balls&#8217; of the feet and<br />
gradually more toward the heels.) The athlete&#8217;s torso still should be over<br />
the barbell, with a straight, tight back. The elbows turned out, and the<br />
shoulders turned in.</p>
<p>In the beginning of this first phase of the pull it is very important to<br />
extend the barbell and just after that to start the lift, because of the<br />
barbell&#8217;s elasticity and the spaces between the holes in the plates and the<br />
barbell&#8217;s sleeves. This is the first time when we can apply in weightlifting<br />
Newton&#8217;s First law of physics: &#8220;Every action has an equal and opposite<br />
reaction&#8221;.</p>
<p>The start of the pull has to begin slowly (in any case slower than the next<br />
phase of the pull), similar to the action of a rocket propelling from the<br />
surface. The motion is initiated gradually, and then increased in velocity.<br />
With a fast start, the rocket would fall down because it could not increase<br />
the velocity anymore. This same situation also occurs in weightlifting. In<br />
this phase the common center of gravity is balanced between the balls of the<br />
feet and heels with a tendency more toward the heels. The first phase of the<br />
pull should be executed in this body balance, gradually extending the knees<br />
and holding the trunk with an extended (concave) back straight and over the<br />
bar.</p>
<p>The head position is still in continuation of the back, looking forward down<br />
on the platform. The shoulders are still turned in, elbows turned out and<br />
straight. Further into this phase the athlete straightens his/her knees and<br />
lifts the barbell up to his/her knee level, making a very opened knees angle<br />
and a 90 &#8211; 94 degree hip-trunk angle. The most important part of the pull is<br />
the following: the athlete starts to straighten his/her trunk upward, pushing<br />
his/her knees involuntarily forward, shifting the center of gravity back in<br />
the middle of the feet. The athlete is doing an inherent, automatic<br />
movement, bending his/her knees slightly and straightening the back<br />
completely. His/her bodyweight is still flatfooted but shifted more toward<br />
the balls of the feet, with the toes free to move, without any body weight on<br />
them. This is the phase which we refer to incorrectly as the<br />
second knee bend phase.</p>
<p>During the complete motion of the first phase which is actually two different<br />
sub phases (&#8220;Up&#8221; to the knees, and then &#8220;Up&#8221; to the upper part of the<br />
&#8220;thighs&#8221;), it is very important to find the optimal counter-balance position.<br />
When the athlete finishes the so-called &#8220;double knee bend&#8221; motion he/she is<br />
in the strongest osteo- muscular correlation. This phase is the so-called<br />
&#8220;hit&#8221; position. In this position the athlete &#8220;hits&#8221; the barbell with his/her<br />
legs&#8217; and scapular muscles at the same time, and gives to the barbell the<br />
biggest possible upward action . The athlete, with this perfect movement<br />
gives the barbell a projection so that it conforms to the physical laws of<br />
matter in suspension.</p>
<p>On this point is the biggest technical misconception. Several coaches are<br />
teaching the athletes intentionally shifting the body weight all the way<br />
forward onto the toes and to rise up onto the toes. This movement onto the<br />
toes will cause the athlete to swing the bar forward, shifting from its<br />
position of up and behind the vertical line. The barbell&#8217;s distance of<br />
travel will be lengthened and will give a false forward trajectory, which is<br />
harmful to the athlete&#8217;s knees&#8217;, hip&#8217;s and shoulders&#8217; joints.</p>
<p>Mel Siff:</p>
<p>*** Neither video analysis or free body diagram analysis shows that<br />
plantarflexed pulling necessarily results in a marked horizontal force<br />
component away from the body. If that happens it is due to deficient<br />
technique or imperfect use of the &#8220;hitting&#8221; of the bar (often against the<br />
body), as described below in your next comments.</p>
<p>Istvan Javorek:</p>
<p>For maximum efficiency it is best to perform this phase of the pull<br />
flatfooted with the center of gravity in the middle of the foot with a slight<br />
inclination toward and gradually more on the balls of the feet, but not in<br />
any case on the toes. During this phase, the athlete is imitating a<br />
standing and backward acting, double leg bounce, with the knees very slightly<br />
flexed. Actually, when utilizing the combined forces of the legs and<br />
trapezius sufficient power and speed are developed for a maximum and<br />
efficient lift.</p>
<p>To be more understandable I would like to go into more depth in explanation<br />
of this part of the pulling phase. When the athlete &#8220;hits&#8221; the bar with an<br />
optimal strength in an optimal position, sufficient inertia and velocity can<br />
be developed to be capable of executing the pressing motion under the barbell<br />
with maximum efficiency. (Due to the inertia of the weight, the whole<br />
barbell with the plates becomes suspended and its weight 0.00 kg). On this<br />
weightless in suspension phase of the barbell the athlete body is in<br />
suspension also, because when an athlete &#8220;hits&#8221; the barbell on a perfect<br />
vertical line, with straight, turned out elbows, and turned in shoulders,<br />
his/her body forms a compact object with the barbell. This is why when the<br />
barbell becomes suspended due to the inertia; the athlete&#8217;s body becomes<br />
weightless also.</p>
<p>The athlete, being a human who has learned from an early age to walk on two<br />
feet in a vertical position, the first conditioned reflex, which acts on an<br />
athlete in this weightless stage, is trying to find the platform, (the<br />
supporting surface) for balance. This is the phase when the majority of the<br />
pictures of world champions show the athletes in the &#8220;toward the toes&#8221;<br />
position. If someone looks more closely at these pictures, they will see<br />
that the athlete actually is not on his toes, and that the balls of his feet<br />
are closer to the platform than his toes.</p>
<p>Mel Siff:</p>
<p>*** No matter what description is offered of what one sees on slow motion or<br />
freeze frame video, the fact is that ANY degree of plantarflexion is revealed<br />
by the heels being raised. Let&#8217;s forget whether the lifter is actually<br />
rising to the toes or the balls of the feet &#8211; the fact is that some degree of<br />
plantarflexion is taking place, with the extent being determined by the<br />
magnitude of the load and individual characteristics of the lifter. Analysis<br />
certainly shows that premature plantarflexion before the bar reaches a level<br />
nearer the hips tends to be a less efficient way of pulling, but, so far, I<br />
have seen no similar scientific analysis which categorically shows that<br />
well-timed or simply reflexive plantarflexion is inferior to flatfooted<br />
pulling.</p>
<p>Istvan Javorek:</p>
<p>During the &#8220;hitting&#8221; phase, if the athlete intentionally is getting on<br />
his/her toes, the athlete will project the barbell forward losing the<br />
verticality of the barbell and wasting its benefit. Secondly for this reason<br />
and as an effect of it, the athlete will lose the benefit of being a compact<br />
object with the barbell, which is not possible when the bar is mowing<br />
forward.</p>
<p>Mel Siff:</p>
<p>*** As I have noted before, this is not necessarily true. It is usually a<br />
result of poor technique. If it is, let&#8217;s see even a very basic free body<br />
diagram analysis which corroborates this point of view. By the way, some of<br />
the world&#8217;s top lifters also jump backwards with the bar, an action which a<br />
lso lengthens the trajectory followed by the bar &#8211; is this method also<br />
inadvisable, even though some coaches actually teach it?</p>
<p>Finally, if an athlete gets on his/her toes intentionally, he/she will ruin<br />
this weightless, &#8220;in suspension&#8221; momentum (phase). Consequently, it becomes<br />
difficult and potentially dangerous to accomplish the next phase of the<br />
exercise, because the law of gravity, which attracts all objects toward the<br />
center of the earth, will influence the motion further. This phase in our<br />
situation is the squatting or splitting and pressing under the barbell<br />
(squat, split and power snatch, squat, split or power clean).</p>
<p>Mel Siff:</p>
<p>*** Aha! Since you are now adding the word &#8220;intentionally&#8221; to the discussion,<br />
you seem to be heading more in the direction of my Alternative #3 stated in<br />
my original letter on pulling, namely: &#8220;Alternative # 3. Most lifters don&#8217;t<br />
really concern themselves with what happens to their heels during the pull<br />
and that they simply focus on pulling as powerfully as possible, no matter<br />
whether this involves plantarflexion or not.&#8221; Would this be correct?</p>
<p>Istvan Javorek:</p>
<p>I do not contest that results can be achieved in this phase by an athlete,<br />
when he/she finishes the movement with the center of gravity more toward the<br />
balls of the feet, with a slight heel raise, (due to the before-mentioned<br />
weightless stage, but not intentionally). But I do believe and state, that<br />
rising intentionally on toes is not correct. Actually I consider, balancing<br />
on the side edges and flat foot with a slight heel raise better, with an easy<br />
shifting of the center of gravity toward the balls of the feet. See Nicu Vlad<br />
1984 Olympic champion&#8217;s 220 kg clean and jerk and Pavel Kuznetsov&#8217;s world<br />
record clean and jerk photo sequences. (Photos by Bruce Klemens). This style<br />
of displacing the feet is much more, efficient, beneficial and advantageous<br />
in my opinion for placing the body in the proper position for the next phase<br />
(replacing the feet). Also if you look at Vardanian sequences you see what I<br />
mean the adaptation of perfect technique to a particular athlete.</p>
<p>The first phase of the pull should be slower in comparison with the vertical<br />
&#8220;hitting&#8221; phase, which requires the most explosive motion of a snatch or<br />
clean exercise. The barbell must be continuously in the closest possible<br />
position to the athlete&#8217;s body. In this phase the athlete is pushing his<br />
feet into the platform, like driving a nail into the platform with his/her<br />
heel. As a confirmation of the previously mentioned Newtonian law of<br />
physics, the barbell will action upward due to the plates&#8217; opposite reaction<br />
and at the same time due to the tremendous, continuation action of the<br />
trapezius musculature. This is the &#8220;momentum&#8221; when the athlete must press<br />
his/her body under the bar for a perfect clean or snatch. On this phase it is<br />
so important to &#8220;meet&#8221; the bar on its maximal position during that<br />
weightless situation. This is the so-called &#8220;momentum&#8221; of a lift.</p>
<p>My good friend Bud Charniga, told me a year ago, that he was analyzing since<br />
I had a clinics at USAWL Federation in 1984 or 1985 my statements about flat<br />
footed technique, and year by year became more convinced the correctness of<br />
my technique and Bud took hundreds of photos at the major international<br />
events).</p>
<p>Mel Siff:</p>
<p>*** Interestingly, Bud also tends to go along more with the suggestion<br />
offered in my Alternative #3. Does this mean that we are heading towards<br />
some sort of consensus or is there still some merit in my other alternatives?</p>
<p>Dr Mel Siff<br />
Denver, USA<br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Supertraining/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Supertraining/</a></p>
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