Dr Mel Siff on Expert vs Novice Bench Pressers

Author: Dr Mel Siff Blog  //  Category: Dr Siff on Biomechanics, Dr Siff on Resistance Training, Dr Siff on Training Theory

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You may recall my referring before to Dr Tom McLaughlin’s book on the
biomechanics of bench pressing (“Bench Press More Now”) — well, here is an
interesting paper that he and a colleague wrote on the biomechanical
differences between novice and expert bench pressers.

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Madsen N, McLaughlin T

Kinematic factors influencing performance and injury risk in the bench press
exercise

Med & Science in Sports & Exercise. 16(4):376-81, Aug 1984. Read more…

Dr Mel Siff on Physics in Sports

Author: Dr Mel Siff Blog  //  Category: Dr Siff on Resistance Training

<< In Dr. Siff’s example of the twin lifters with body mass of 60 kg, one
athlete, Ted, squats 100 kg. Ted is posited to perform this squat with an
acceleration rate of 1.5 meters/sec^2. The combined weight of the lifter and
the load is 160 kg x 9.8 m/sec^2 or nearly 1570 newtons. That reaction force
thru the platform is necessary to merely stand and perform a constant
velocity lift. To accelerate his body and the load upward at 1.5 m/s^2,
would require an additional 160 kg x 1.5 m/s^2 or 240 newtons (upper limit
calculation of acceleration requirement).

The platform should register a peak force in the neighborhood of the sum or
approximately 1800 newtons
during the lift.>>

***Thanks, Paul, for picking that up. It is a real pleasure to have some
more physicists or engineers wandering into the sporting field to give it a
new dimension.

I gave a figure of 1300Newtons as measured on the force platform. It should
have been 1800N. I clumsily typed in a “3″ instead of an “8″ (after
moderating numerous messages in the early hours of the morning, that may be
understandable).

One small point, though – during squatting, the lifter does not accelerate
his entire body mass upwards, but only the part of the body that is actually
being moved. In Olympic lifting, the lifter may actually leave the platform,
so that comparisons of weightlifters and powerlifters have to take this into
account. The figure that I quoted came from an actual force platform
recording with a 60kg squatter and was not derived from this equation
(although the theoretical and experimental results were quite close for this
simple movement):

Force F = mg + mA = 160 (9.8) + 160 (1.5) = 1808 N

(where g = 9.8m per sec squared in the gravitational acceleration and A is
the upward acceleration imparted by the lifter).

The actual acceleration was 1.37 m per sec squared – I simply gave 1.5 m per
sec sqd as a roughly rounded off order of magnitude for the purposes of
acceleration. During relatively heavier lifts, this acceleration can drop to
below 1 m per sec sq.

<<This is about 3 g’s or three times body wt. This force is still far below
the reaction forces measured by the platform on the twin, Tom, when
performing his ‘plyometric’ feats of running and jumping; but there
are other differences in execution that may bear consideration.

In dynamic situations, where a change in the momentum of the body in question
is the main effect sought, thrust is the requisite factor. (Yes, this is
rocket science actually.) The momentum change depends on this thrust or
impulse applied. [Force x time] gives us the impulse quantity and is
equivalent to the change in momentum of the body under impulse. That is: the
body undergoes a change in momentum of [mass x change in velocity] during
the execution of the impulse (the jump ).

Well, if the squat takes two seconds to perform, that effort is equivalent to
an impulse generation of 1800 newtons x 2 seconds or 3600 newton seconds.
Tom may perform his jump with a .2 second time of foot contact, representing
an impulse generation of 3100 newtons x .2 seconds or 620 newton seconds.
Tom’s effort represents only about 1/5 the impulse generation ability of
Ted’s effort in the squat. >>

PROBLEMS IN USING ‘IMPULSE’

*** As you know, the definition of Impulse comes from the general expression
of Newton’s 2nd Law in differential form, namely (where V is the velocity as
any instant):

F = d (MV)/ dt (Rate of change of momentum)

F = M.dV/dt + V.dM/dt

Since the second term refers to a situation in which mass is changing, it
drops out of calculations for lifting a bar, though in rocket science, the
ejection of mass from the rocket is what provides the propulsion. So, in
fact, we are not strictly speaking about ‘rocket science’. In lifting, the
mass of the combined lifter/bar system is constant. We are left with:

F = M.dV/dt which may be rewritten:

F.dt = M.dV

If the time interval dt is extremely small, as in a true rapid impulse, it
may be replaced by a finite, but still very small value called (delta t),
which I am going to write as T simply because we cannot use Greek symbols in
ordinary email. This approximation is valid only if the time interval is
very small and neither force nor velocity change during the period when
impulse is being generated. So, our approximation becomes

F.T = M.V (where MV simply is the momentum of the moving mass M)

In your analysis, you have applied the definition for impulse to a situation
in which the time of action, T, does not approximate to the differential dt.
Moreover, the force and velocity of the bar are changing throughout the
squat. In other words, we would rather have to consider the integrals of
the functions F.dt or m.dV in order to analyse the situation correctly.

<<The jump peak forces aren’t experienced at the ROM angles encountered at
the bottom of a deep squat and
therefor jump reaction forces can hardly be used as evidence of the safety of
such a squat at equivalent loading (weight) levels. >>

***Quite correct, but we also have to consider at least two other factors in
this regard, namely the mechanical stiffness of the athlete and the damping
ratio of the body, both of which change with athlete and characteristics of
movement.

Possibly, the easiest way to appreciate the effect of these factors is to
liken the body to a car. Among other things, the shock absorbers of a car
determine how shock will be transmitted to the vehicle and how stable the
vehicle will be under different motion conditions. If the mechanical
stiffness of the shock absorbers is high, then any shock will be transmitted
very unattenuated to the vehicle, but the vehicle will be very stable under
sharp cornering conditions.

This is similar to the situation encountered in running and jumping, but not
in squatting, where the knee goes through a large range of movement. In
other words, though it is important to consider what you implied with your
computations about impulse, one also has to consider how much of the impulse
or energy is actually transmitted to the body and its joints. In this
respect, running and jumping are far worse ‘offenders’ than lifting heavy
weights.

Interestingly, the use of shock absorbing running shoes tends to increase the
mechanical stiffness of the body, so that we have the apparent paradox that a
measure implemented to reduce stress on the joints of the body can actually
can achieve the very opposite. Scientists believe that the body attempts to
maintain approximately the same overall stiffness no matter what one wear, so
that any decrease in stiffness offered by shoes results to an increase in
stiffness elsewhere in the body, such as the ankles, knees and hips.

In saying all of this, don’t for one moment think that I support the idea of
action being taken to prevent children participating in running and jumping
sports. I simply contrasted lifting with these activities to point out the
serious oversimplifications being made when claims are made that heavy
lifting is more stressful than other unloaded physical activities.

In fact, research by colleagues of mine seems to show that the incidence of
joint degeneration and osteoporosis in men and women is significantly higher
among those who are sedentary or indulge in milder, non-impulsive
activities. If anyone is interested in this information, I can paste some
relevant sections from “Supertraining” and “Facts & Fallacies of Fitness”
into future letters. The Table of Contents of these books appear at:

http://24.16.71.95/SPORTSCI/JANUARY/textbooks_by_m_c_siff.htm

Dr Mel C Siff

Weights and Joint Damage

Author: Dr Mel Siff Blog  //  Category: Dr Siff on Injuries/Disease

Mel Siff:

*** Weightlifting, powerlifting and other non-isolating weights exercises are
also very dynamic and cannot be termed static. The fact remains that the
common actions of running, jumping, throwing and hitting even with
non-maximal effort routinely impose greater stresses on the body than
weightlifting and powerlifting with heavy weights. Just a brief review of a
few relevant articles in the Journal of Biomechanics and the Journal of
Applied Biomechanics will confirm this fact. This is a point that continues
to be ignored by everyone who claims that competitive weightlifting is more
stressful to young bodies (and somewhat older ones!) than most other sports.

To examine this issue quantitatively, let us suppose that Ted is a 12 year
old who weighs 60kg and squats 100kg. He stands on a force platform and
executes a typical squat with an acceleration that typically would be in the
region of 1.5m per second squared. The peak force registered during the movement is
1300 Newtons.

His twin brother Tom, who weighs the same, runs at moderate pace across the
force platform and registers a peak impact force of 2300 Newtons. Next, he
jumps on the force platform (step and jump) to dunk a basket and the peak
force registered is 3100 Newtons.

One important difference is that the peak force produced by Ted is exerted
with both feet on the ground, so that each leg shares the load., but his
brother exerts peak force off ONE leg. In other words, brother Tom is
exposed a force on one leg which is about 5 TIMES greater than that
experienced by his powerlifting brother.

Of course, in both cases, the shock is transmitted via the legs to the spine
and rest of the body, but even then, the twin who is executing non-maximal
sporting actions is exposed to a force that is some 2.5 times greater than
that experienced by his brother who is squatting with nearly twice
bodyweight. It does not matter where or how contact with the ground is made
- the force is still transmitted to the whole body.

This is an issue that I have never seen stressed by a single research study
which claims that weight training imposes more dangerous and greater forces
on the growing body. Why not? As they say, it does not require the brain of
a ‘rocket scientist’ to carry out some simple Newton II calculations or to
have youngsters carry out simple daily activities on a cheap force plate.

<<…..the same point of pressure is utilitized, rep after rep, set after
set. >>

*** This remark is of far greater relevance to any child who runs. Running
involves repeating much the same patterns of loading for thousands of strides
and landings a day even over short distances. There are no youngsters or
adults who ever do that number of repetitions in powerlifting or
weightlifting.

<<BTW, there is also much research to suggest that long-distance running in
excess is not recommended for children 9-14 years as well due to orthopaedic
and meniscal problems.>>

***Even in short and middle distance running, or running in sports such as
soccer, football, basketball and baseball, there are far more repetitions
involving greater forces than in weightlifting or powerlifting. This comment
would tend to strengthen any case that has to be made for stressing the
dangers of normal school sports, rather than exaggerating the risks of
well-controlled, progressively imposed heavy lifting.

One very basic clinical observation – the incidence of shoulder injuries
among baseballers and similar athletes is far greater than among
weightlifters who snatch and jerk very heavy loads above the head, both in
adults and juveniles. Yet, there are those who are quite contented to claim
that weightlifting is far more dangerous than other more traditional school
sports.

Far too many clinicians and doctors do not seem to understand or appreciate
what biomechanical research and clinical records of competitive lifters tell
us, namely that physics proves that greater forces and torques are routinely
produced in normal school sports and that the rate of injury to most joints
is much higher among those who indulge in these traditional sports compared
with weightlifting and powerlifting. As we have seen above, even moderate
levels of participation in traditional sports imposes far greater stresses on
the growing body than heavy squatting, for example.

I have only one reservation about the use of light or heavy weightlifting or
weights usage by youngsters (and adults) and that is: All training must be
carried out with excellence of technique and prescribed in a sensible manner
of progressive loading and unloading, constantly guided by a personal Rating
of Perceived Effort and a Rating of Technique (see “Supertraining” 1999,
Cybernetic Periodisation Ch 6).

Dr Mel C Siff

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